tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post4730953679795833819..comments2023-10-31T06:20:45.622-05:00Comments on Raving Black Lunatic: Well, Well, WellBig Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-73556176246337860412009-03-17T14:36:00.000-05:002009-03-17T14:36:00.000-05:00Big Man,That rebuttal was weak.If a jihadist lets ...Big Man,<BR/><BR/>That rebuttal was weak.<BR/><BR/>If a jihadist lets me choose death by rusty jungle sword or death by a thousand rocks, does that mean the jihadist supports an infidel's "right to choose."<BR/><BR/>Again, WHO are these avowed Christians that are claiming a fundamental "right" to lie and commit adultery? WHO???<BR/><BR/>If Mamma Obama said she wanted to abort Malia and Natasha then the President father would assert that she had the "fundamental right" to do so and he would assert this as a proclaimed Christian. This is nonsense and you know it, but you can't come to grips with the fact that Obama's "Christianity" is soiled and charlatanesque. <BR/><BR/>All these other issues are an attempt by you to take the discussion somewhere else other than on Obama, the abortion advocate (one who <I>believes</I> a mother has a "fundamental right" to spill the blood of her child), and Obama, the pseudo-Christian.<BR/><BR/>Please name JUST ONE OTHER prominent Christian that claims a mother's "fundamental right" to kill her child <I>in utero</I>.<BR/><BR/>Big Man, you don't have to think I'm a liar just because you were "educated" to think such things. It damn near borderlines on some kind of subtle racism in which only I can perceive.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-69991332103730504312009-03-17T10:22:00.000-05:002009-03-17T10:22:00.000-05:00ThorThe issue has always been about whether Obama ...Thor<BR/><BR/>The issue has always been about whether Obama supports killing babies, or whether he supports allowing women to choose to have abortions.<BR/><BR/>Why?<BR/><BR/>Because the two things are not the same. <BR/><BR/>I personally would not advocate for a woman who was pregnant to have an abortion unless her life was in danger. It hurts my spirit. However, I would never support a law that made it illegal for women to have an abortion. There is a difference. I do not believe allowing women to have an abortion is a violation of God's will for me as a Christian. I have reached this conclusion through repeated study of the Bible and through listening to other ministers I trust. <BR/><BR/>Obama has expressed this same sentiment on numerous occassions. YOU have decided that there is no nuance in this issue despite the attempts by myself and by DV to show you that nuance.<BR/><BR/>That means that you don't want there to be any nuance because you want to follow the path you have already chosen. That's cool, but let's not pretend that you are actually giving these issues a fair shake.<BR/><BR/>Second<BR/><BR/>Your answer on the sin question was telling. First, you called the fifth commandment a "top commandment" despite the fact that it's fifth. You tried to justify this by pointing out this is the first commandment not dealing with how people should serve God. However, my reading of the Bible show that honor thy father and mother come before murder, which comes RIGHT BEFORE ADULTERY.<BR/><BR/>Once again, you refuse to discuss a core point of mine. Adultery is a sin. It's even one of the ten commandments. So is lying and coveting. Yet, I have not heared you say that if someone support an individual's "fundamental right" to commit adulutery or lie, than they cannot be a Christian. I have not heared you say that if a politician refuses to outlaw adultery and lying, they cannot be a Christian.<BR/><BR/>Why is that? <BR/><BR/>I'm thinking it's because your entire premise is built on hypocrisy and you know that it has no Biblical backing besides the scriptures you pick and choose out of context. You refuse to discuss the adultery, coveting and lying issue because you know that if you used those sins it would be much more difficult. After all, it is very hard to find anyone who believes that adultery, lying and coveting should be against the law. Why? Because far more people are guilty of these sins on a regular basis, while far fewer people have abortions. Therefore, it's much easier for people to scream and holler about outlawing abortion than it is to scream and holler about outlawing the aforementioned three sins, let alone all the other sins that are listed in the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Finally<BR/><BR/>Thor, I told my readers not to bother with you for the same reason I won't be bothering with you after this.<BR/><BR/>Your arguments are pointless.<BR/><BR/>You claim that Obama "advocates" for abortion, while knowing that he has said that he does not want people to have abortions but believes in a woman's right to make that choice herself.<BR/><BR/>You claim that it's not about outlawing abortion, but you have yet to explain what it is about.<BR/><BR/>You ignore a host of other sins to focus on abortion, yet don't adequately explain the biblical basis for this decision.<BR/><BR/>In short, you are creating your on set of rules and your own reality and then trying to force other people to live according to it. And you're pretending that you're not doing this. The Bible tells Christians to live a certain way, but it makes it clear that this is a choice, and it restricts us from forcing others to live by our beliefs.<BR/><BR/>It's pointless to discuss anything with somebody who uses the techniques you use, so I told my readers to ignore you.<BR/><BR/>But guess what? Just like all humans, they have the free will granted to them by God, so they will make their own choices.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-18490193954372178102009-03-16T20:00:00.000-05:002009-03-16T20:00:00.000-05:00thanks for responding. ill respond tomorrowthanks for responding. ill respond tomorrowBig Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-36587874230767768572009-03-16T18:44:00.000-05:002009-03-16T18:44:00.000-05:00Lolo,Just because someone claims to be oppressed d...Lolo,<BR/><BR/>Just because someone claims to be oppressed doesn't make it so.<BR/><BR/>And if someone claims oppression while having the freedom to voice their conscience on a global scale by declaring the evilness and diabolical nature of her "oppressors," doesn't one have a right to question <I>someone's</I> notion of "oppression?"Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-44888383069039934942009-03-16T18:39:00.000-05:002009-03-16T18:39:00.000-05:00Deacon Blue,Maybe you were in a position to "oppre...Deacon Blue,<BR/><BR/>Maybe you were in a position to "oppress" people of color? Maybe you were in a position to thwart the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of some non-whites? And maybe you need to make up for all that nastiness you put forth in the past?<BR/><BR/>But what about the vast majority of us that have never been in <I>your</I> position?<BR/><BR/>Oh wait... We have, but we just don't know it. And certainly don't ask us who have practiced "oppression" to give some real concrete examples of such practice.<BR/><BR/>Again, what is "white privilege" other than some academic jargon for how humans usually behave?<BR/><BR/>Are you "better" because you no longer "oppress" others? I say good for you, but don't extend this idea to the understanding that because you oppressed non-whites so did everyone else. That soothing feeling is a false and dangerous one.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-45814005121028076162009-03-16T18:28:00.000-05:002009-03-16T18:28:00.000-05:00Big Man,Is it really a sign of intellectual vigor ...Big Man,<BR/><BR/>Is it really a sign of intellectual vigor to command your readers to not respond to someone that doesn't share their assumptions and fundamental paradigm about life?<BR/><BR/>You <B>ask</B>,<BR/><BR/><I>So, once again, explain the biblical basis for your sin hierarchy that places abortion above all other sins, and then hot that allows you to decide that a politician's refusal to outlaw abortion is a sign that they are not a Christian.</I><BR/><BR/>And I <B>answer</B>,<BR/><BR/>It should be self-evident that "thou shall not spill the blood of innocence" to be near the top of the commandment hierarchy. In fact, I believe it is the 6th commandment with the preceding 5 all in relation to putting nothing before God.<BR/><BR/>Now, abortion is clearly a violation of this top commandment <I>unless</I> you think:<BR/><BR/>What is being aborted <I>isn't</I> the blood of innocence?<BR/><BR/>or,<BR/><BR/>Women have a fundamental "right" to spill the blood of innocence, but euphemistacally call it abortion or choice?<BR/><BR/>Now, in order for someone to claim faith in Christianity, he can't claim the latter and leave ambiguous about what he thinks of the former. <BR/><BR/>Barack Obama claims to be a <I>Christian</I> abortion advocate, but he's really a charlatan.<BR/><BR/>Next you <B>ask</B>,<BR/><BR/><I>Then explain what it means that politicians and most Americans do not want to outlaw fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, gossiping, backbiting and a whole host of other sins.</I><BR/><BR/>And I <B>answer</B>,<BR/><BR/>Again, you conflate the issue of whether Barack Obama needs to either renounce his Christian faith or whether he needs to renounce his belief in the fundamental "right" to spill innocent blood with some call to outlaw this and that. That was never the discussion and only keeps being put forward so as to give you the opportunity to obfuscate on the issue at hand.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-57985051190595449902009-03-16T15:38:00.000-05:002009-03-16T15:38:00.000-05:00Hello there!I love that you said this:"But, when y...Hello there!<BR/><BR/>I love that you said this:<BR/><B>"But, when you dig a little deeper, you learn that Affirmative Action wasn't created to give minorities an unfair advantage, it was created to rectify a preexisting advantage created by white people."</B><BR/><BR/>{raised black glove}<BR/><BR/>Tru dat!LISA VAZQUEZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583559303233985031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-82898820769589392502009-03-16T15:07:00.000-05:002009-03-16T15:07:00.000-05:00Look, I thought y'all would figure this out, but l...Look, I thought y'all would figure this out, but let me intervene.<BR/><BR/>Do not talk to Thor.<BR/><BR/>I repeat, do not talk to Thor. <BR/><BR/>He is free to post whatever he likes in the comments section in response to my blog, unless things get out of control and then I will have to take action. But, y'all know I don't mind people thinking I'm stupid. It's good for me.<BR/><BR/>However, do not try to get into a logical debate with Thor. It will not work. <BR/><BR/>He will not answer your questions, he will make intellectually dishonest reponses and he will tell you that you are the one who has the mental problem because you do not see the world according to Thor and his mighty hammer of ignorance.<BR/><BR/>Trust me on this, I've tried this already. <BR/><BR/>Thor, I'm not answering any of your questions. I'm treating you the way Cnulan and Michael Fisher treat you.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to keep repeating the questions you seek to ignore because that illuminates your hypocrisy. Or, I'm just going to ignore you.<BR/><BR/>So, once again, explain the biblical basis for your sin hierarchy that places abortion above all other sins, and then hot that allows you to decide that a politician's refusal to outlaw abortion is a sign that they are not a Christian.<BR/><BR/>Then explain what it means that politicians and most Americans do not want to outlaw fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, gossiping, backbiting and a whole host of other sins.<BR/><BR/>Are these people not Christians as well? Where do you stand?Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-85490229779496211202009-03-16T14:19:00.000-05:002009-03-16T14:19:00.000-05:00Thor, I am quite plain in RL about how I feel abou...Thor, I am quite plain in RL about how I feel about my fellow citizens' unequal treatment and while I do hate injustice and violence I do not hate my country for it is made up of the very people that I've met in RL and on the internet. Silly Thor. My parents lived through and taught me about oppression and they managed to still keep an open mind. What happened to you and your family for your mind to be so closed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-14957597783888573502009-03-16T14:11:00.000-05:002009-03-16T14:11:00.000-05:00No, Thordaddy...it's not academic highfallutin-nes...No, Thordaddy...it's not academic highfallutin-ness. I've been white without exposure to black culture, and I've been white dating a black woman, and I'm now white with a couple black kids.<BR/><BR/>I can look back at my own preconceptions and behaviors and what I did wrong and hurtful, and I can look at what my loved ones must deal with on a weekly and sometimes daily basis, and I can speak from first-hand experience to my own culpability in empowering white privilege and my own experience in witness oppression large and small against people I care about. I don't know any white people who've ever been harmed one bit by affirmative action...but I've seen blacks oppressed by daily bullshit that the have to swallow down most of the time and not speak up about.<BR/><BR/>But I don't believe for one damned second that my first-hand experience would matter to you. Just as you would dismiss an academic knowledge, you will dismiss my experience as being tainted by too close a proximity or selling out to the other side or something.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing about you that seems sincere, so I will not honor you insincere request for elaboration. Most of the readers here are black and don't need me to point out to them what they already deal with...and Darth Whitey hasn't asked me to clarify (nor have any other white folks who might care around here) so I'm not going to waste any more of Big Man's space on this. <BR/><BR/>Clear enough? Keep talking to me if you like, but I'm done with you as of this moment. You're a troll and I'm not giving you any more meat to swallow so that you can throw your feces around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-62156565657243891822009-03-16T13:50:00.000-05:002009-03-16T13:50:00.000-05:00Big Man,I figured I'd give you a few rounds to see...Big Man,<BR/><BR/>I figured I'd give you a few rounds to see the self-evident truth of "thou shall not spill the blood of innocence" and how such a commandment is fundamental to any hopes of a civilized society?<BR/><BR/>Maybe you know of some other Christians equal to the status of the President who also proclaim a fundamental "right" to spill innocent blood? I don't! I don't know of a single prominent Christian who claims a "right" to sin and then says, "looky, I'm a real Christian."<BR/><BR/>So again, what was AA premised on in its original manifestation if it is not what I claim?<BR/><BR/>Lolo,<BR/><BR/>All I said was that I was glad that others now get to hear what you really think. I wish more people had the opportunity to hear how much hatred and animosity you have for America and white people. I wish more people knew that your "oppression" didn't actually include the supression of your radical thoughts. This way, we could actually judge as to whether your claims were legitimate.<BR/><BR/>Deacon Blue,<BR/><BR/>You act as if you have some insider knowledge on the matters at hand rather than some academic highfalutinous deconstructionism about "white" privilege.<BR/><BR/>What does that actually mean and can you give us just ONE example of this jargon in practice? Preferably, you will give us an experience of your own "white" privilege before you became so enlightened?<BR/><BR/>Darth Whitey,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you've crossed your posts. I can't really respond to things I haven't discussed.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-46270982857462633292009-03-16T11:34:00.000-05:002009-03-16T11:34:00.000-05:00Darth, don't take Big Man's comment too literally ...Darth, don't take Big Man's comment too literally as a comparison of you and Thordaddy.<BR/><BR/>Steroid use isn't just about beefing up the body. It also takes away from other physiological functions and damages the body. It can also alter perceptions and personality.<BR/><BR/>So, using Big Man's metaphor, Thordaddy is too messed up to see straight, whereas you are sometimes contrarian but not delusional, nor addicted to your position on all matters.<BR/>;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-30427128506410882682009-03-16T11:18:00.000-05:002009-03-16T11:18:00.000-05:00I'm offended that you would compare my positions t...I'm offended that you would compare my positions to Thor's BM :-(<BR/><BR/>Thor, I find what you said a bit disturbing, the part where you seem to imply that this country "belongs" to us (whites) and that as such "we" have the right to ensure our continued supremacy or some such.<BR/><BR/>As a matter of fact, this is probably the only country on earth (and Canada) that no ethnic group can lay a serious claim to as it was sort of a blank slate before the British, Dutch, and French arrived. Before that you had these meandering tribes of natives that killed one another for this and that parcel of land for eons, but no real dominant single "nation" as it were (everything from Mexico down to Argentina is different because large native populations existed when the Spanish and Portuguese arrived.)<BR/><BR/>So if you mean that you are of direct lineage to those first settlers, well even then it does not belong to you anymore than it belongs to say, a Rudy Giuliani, a Dennis Kozlowski, a John Yoo, a Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, or an Alberto Gonzalez. All these groups faced major obstacles upon arriving as immigrants but now they have integrated and are as American as you or I.<BR/><BR/>Now for education I myself dislike affirmative action but it doesn't bother _too_ much because after all, which ethnic group in America is the only one who did not emigrate willingly? There was some long term retardation of prospects by slavery that no other ethnic group suffered, and it does persist to this day, to some extent.<BR/><BR/>White privilege.. well I myself am white (of course) and I'm pretty sure my life would be a little more difficult than it is now if I were black. For instance, I can be a douchebag or a loon or act stupid whenever I feel like it and nobody thinks anything of it. But if I were black and I were screwing around not getting my work done and what now, well, come on, you know what the office would say!<BR/><BR/>Just chill. heh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-68198822314943335872009-03-16T10:39:00.000-05:002009-03-16T10:39:00.000-05:00what about us folk wh0o right handed lol u be ki...what about us folk wh0o right handed lol u be killing me and darth whity - classicAll-Mi-T [Thought Crime] Rawdawgbuffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08843040863123899426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-3378809325447531982009-03-16T10:18:00.000-05:002009-03-16T10:18:00.000-05:00ThorYou've found my blog!Welcome!Everyone, this is...Thor<BR/><BR/>You've found my blog!<BR/><BR/>Welcome!<BR/><BR/>Everyone, this is Thor. <BR/><BR/>He's like Darth on steroids.<BR/><BR/>If you plan on engaging him in debate, be prepared for him ignoring obvious logical fallacies in his arguments, and engaging in gross hypocrisy. <BR/><BR/>Thor, I'm still waiting for you to explain that sin hierarchy you established with abortion at the top. <BR/><BR/>Still waiting....<BR/><BR/>And y'all can thank the folks at Denmark Vesey's blog for Thor coming on by.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-57283581584362073782009-03-16T09:31:00.000-05:002009-03-16T09:31:00.000-05:00Thordaddy, I don't get any sense that you have any...Thordaddy, I don't get any sense that you have any willingness or desire to expand your knowledge or see the other side of things. I understand why you feel the way that you do to some extent. When I had limited exposure to black history, black culture or black people, it was easy for me to not think about things that I and others did on a daily basis to ignore them, marginalize them and even demean them.<BR/><BR/>I am not going to give you the laundry list you have asked for (though I could) because you have already shown that you are inflexible and I have no wish to feed a troll on someone else's blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-75144073380159970052009-03-16T08:32:00.000-05:002009-03-16T08:32:00.000-05:00So, because I can point out my observations on the...So, because I can point out my observations on the internet and even in RL without being beaten or arrested, that somehow cancels out my experiences? Wow. That's the same sort of logic as "You're not really poor as long as you can afford a cellphone and don't have to dig through the garbage for sustenance".<BR/><BR/>We are citizens of the first true democracy, based on the founding principles of Life, Liberty and Equality for ALL. Based on those soaring and noble principles, we are entitled to hold ourselves and each other accontable when we fall short. Without being "oppressed". Just as we are a first world nation and should have quality education, redress in the courts, adequate food and shelter, etc. Just because I am guaranteed immunity from unlawful arrest doesn't mean I'm supposed to give up my duty to point out the glaring inequities.<BR/><BR/>Your question was whether or not it is immoral and I gave an answer. You then moved the goalposts to whether or not I have any personal experience with actual oppression. What, in your opinion, is actual oppression?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-61182280630447896132009-03-15T23:16:00.000-05:002009-03-15T23:16:00.000-05:00Deacon Blue,Can you give us an example of this "wh...Deacon Blue,<BR/><BR/>Can you give us an example of this "white" privilege and how in the past, before you were so enlightened, you used it to "shit" on others?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-15066471852204363012009-03-15T20:29:00.000-05:002009-03-15T20:29:00.000-05:00No, Thordaddy...I already have white privilege. I ...No, Thordaddy...I already have white privilege. I don't need the force of government to get what's mine. I just have a thing against using my privilege to actively shit on someone else's head just because they aren't white like me.<BR/><BR/>I'm funny that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-60893116657895525222009-03-15T20:01:00.000-05:002009-03-15T20:01:00.000-05:00Deacon Blue,Only a radical autonomist thinks that ...Deacon Blue,<BR/><BR/>Only a radical autonomist thinks that giving his own advantage is "special." The rest of us think it's just normal.<BR/><BR/>But then again, you are willing to use the force of government to get what's yours. Sounds like YOU have an oppressive streak? Should the rest of us, who are the target of your government coercion, take kindly to your two-faced nature?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-46014453807027409562009-03-15T19:43:00.000-05:002009-03-15T19:43:00.000-05:00So, giving special advantages to people of a certa...So, giving special advantages to people of a certain color simply because they are the largest color contingent is perfectly acceptable. <BR/><BR/>Which means that you think it's OK to make things harder for other colors of people simply because they are another color.<BR/><BR/>And yet you challenge Lolo's assertion that there is oppression.<BR/><BR/>Can you say, "Cognitive dissonance"?<BR/><BR/>No, no, don't answer. I already know you'll just trot out the same answers as before. Save yourself the trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-13242776336265308232009-03-15T19:19:00.000-05:002009-03-15T19:19:00.000-05:00Lolo,The wonderful thing about the internet is tha...Lolo,<BR/><BR/>The wonderful thing about the internet is that is gives a real voice to all those malignant thoughts that persons such as yourself have swirling around in your head about America and white people, both generally and particularly.<BR/><BR/>Ironically, the same society that "oppresses" you, also allows you to say the most incendiary and noxious things about it. It gives one the impression that you don't have any real experience with "oppression?"<BR/><BR/>Imhotep,<BR/><BR/>If morality is way "too subjective" then it seems this discussion is moot. You can no more claim the "wrongness" of past actions than you can claim the "rightness" of present-day AA. Yours seems like an evolutionary understanding and so once again the implication is that YOU don't believe "All men are created equal." In fact, such a claim is a subjective moral one that in no way reflects known reality.<BR/><BR/>So again, I ask... What is immoral about a white society giving its own advantages? In fact, how <B>is it not perfectly normal?</B>Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-43245753635265682262009-03-15T14:12:00.000-05:002009-03-15T14:12:00.000-05:00Thor said “First, you need to explain why a white ...Thor said “First, you need to explain why a white society that gives its own an advantage is immoral?”<BR/><BR/>Thor, I did answer your question, perhaps it was not the answer you were looking for. Besides the question of morality is way too subjective, you need context with any question of morality, and you failed to provide context. I tried to help you out with context, but you totally avoided my questions. So my question remains, why does the white society need an advantage? You did not like my first list, so I’ll add to it. Are you concerned about racial extinction? genetic annihilation? minority status? need to protect assets? Or is it simply an advantage due to pigmentation? Let me know why you need an advantage, then we can address the morality issue. <BR/><BR/>You asked several other questions, I’ll suspend response to those questions until you can bring context to your initial question.Imhotephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135775572019402064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-49289863793055807812009-03-15T13:37:00.000-05:002009-03-15T13:37:00.000-05:00A society that made its bones, so to speak, on the...A society that made its bones, so to speak, on the backs, blood and rape of an "other" AND continues to advantage its descendants while continuing to trumpet its founding premise of equality for all, is indeed immoral.<BR/><BR/>We proclaim to ourselves and others around the world, that we are a beacon, a model for all democracies, based on our founding principles. We should strive to hold ourselves to the very basics of those founding principles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-50898707916165218232009-03-14T21:27:00.000-05:002009-03-14T21:27:00.000-05:00Imhotep says,I would need to know more, such as wh...Imhotep says,<BR/><BR/><I>I would need to know more, such as why the need for the advantage? Is the white society unable to compete on its own merits? Are there obstacles in the way? If it's simply a matter of race preference, at the expense of competence? If that's the case that society lacks intelligence, so they are more stupid than immoral. If you believe that intelligence is the province of white folks, then some out and say so.</I><BR/><BR/>Of course, you completely missed the opportunity to answer the question. <B>Is a white society that gives advantages to whites an immoral society?</B> I assume in your rebuttal of questions that you are implying it is and yet you are attempting to advantage yourself and presumably non-whites, no? <BR/><BR/>Next you say,<BR/><BR/><I>You need to reject race prejudice. Between the liberal's pseudo anti-discriminatory position and the conservative ignoring any pretense of anti-discrimination. The only redress people of color have is to force you through court order to honor the words in the Declaration of independence, that all men are created...... Now, if those words are hollow or a bunch of lies then you need to say so to the rest of the world, and stop putting out the propaganda about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.</I><BR/><BR/>All men are created equal and this is the premise on which you assert your "rights." Yet, if taken as a given then one wonders why you are seeking discriminatory advantages through the use of government force? Clearly, it is you that believes these words to be hollow. You do not see yourself as equal and therefore you would "force you through court order to honor the words." This is your nature and the force is palpable.<BR/><BR/>And then you say, <BR/><BR/><I>Just so you know, Affirmative Action is race, gender and ethnicity based. Contrary to media portrayal it's not solely race based. I don't see why it should be such a shock to you that white women are the beneficiary, after all, you did say that white racial advantage is not immoral. Many whites in a position to hire share your opinion.</I><BR/><BR/>AA may be advantageous to white females because it is inherently a female way of gaining advantage by claiming victimhood. The fact that females and blacks advantage from AA only implies to the rest of us that their proclamation of inherent equalness is not really felt from within. <BR/><BR/>But the talk is about the original premise for AA and its relation to the black "race."<BR/><BR/>Next you say,<BR/><BR/><I>POC are only one component of affirmative action. Once you have a more comprehensive<BR/>definition /understanding of AA, perhaps you'll be able to answer your own questions, or at least pose more insightful questions.</I><BR/><BR/>Why do I need a more "comprehensive" view of AA when I am only trying to find its <I>original</I> and fundamental premise? Could you be of some help on that account?<BR/><BR/>Lastly you say,<BR/><BR/><I>Thor, my gut feeling is that you asked your questions with your mind already made. I don't sense that you're interested in any open minded dialogue. I think your mind is stuck in the 1850's with the Dred Scott decision, when the U.S. supreme court ruled that a Black man have no rights that a white man have to respect. If that's your belief come out and say so, and stop with the pseudo questions.</I><BR/><BR/>Is that a response really worthy of rebuttal? Aren't you really attempting to avoid a situation where you have <I>your</I> premises questioned?<BR/><BR/>We already know what the "white" man thinks, but now we are really getting to know what the non-white man thinks and "they" have some very malevolent things wandering around in those minds about me and my own. Do you wish that I stay ignorant of such things?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.com