tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post4415281583501620004..comments2023-10-31T06:20:45.622-05:00Comments on Raving Black Lunatic: The Trouble With BelieversBig Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-25664041617072701082012-02-10T18:19:06.414-06:002012-02-10T18:19:06.414-06:00NP. Thx for intelligent rebuttal. All's well t...NP. Thx for intelligent rebuttal. All's well that ends well.Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-89748075971244158862012-02-10T17:04:47.557-06:002012-02-10T17:04:47.557-06:00Thanks for the different perspective homie.Thanks for the different perspective homie.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-9825669071268388062012-02-10T15:46:08.158-06:002012-02-10T15:46:08.158-06:00It's really not the same thing. Most of the st...It's really not the same thing. Most of the states that do have mandates place mandates on insurers, not employers. The Catholic Church or other religious institutions that objected could avoid such mandates by self-insuring or other wise offering different plans. The proposed (now thankfully modified) HHS mandate was more broad reaching than any state mandate.<br /><br />The Catholic Church and its institutions pre-date the modern welfare state. If it comes to it they will stop providing the services they do. They've proven that in the past. They provide a tremendous amount of charitable works that the state could not do at the same cost. <br /><br />First Amendment restricts the sort of choice that the Administration was trying to force on the Church. The State doesn't get to tell the Church what to do. It can't sue the Catholics for not having women priests; it can't require them to provide bc in contravention of their teachings.Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-15178883856385158572012-02-10T09:39:47.406-06:002012-02-10T09:39:47.406-06:00From what I've heard, several states already r...From what I've heard, several states already require religious organizations to provide contraceptives as part of state law. So this isn't a new issue.<br />Secondly, most universities receive federal funding for research and in the form of student loans and grants for their students. Not to mention the other grants and matching funds they depend on.<br />I think that if you removed all federal funding from every religious organization, whether in the form of grants, reimbursements or direct funding, many of them would collapse and be unable to perform their very important services. The line between church and state is already incredibly blurred, the issue is that religious organizations are fine with that as long as they can do what they want. It's only when government starts making demands that they start asking for separation.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-59218424526305344242012-02-10T08:17:01.199-06:002012-02-10T08:17:01.199-06:00If it were that simple the Church and other instit...If it were that simple the Church and other institutions would be quite happy to refuse any Medicare/Medicaid payments. This new HHS rule does not make any distinction based on source of payments of funding. If you are a 100% private religious school that refuses any government strings of any kind, you would still be subject to this rule.<br /><br />This is why the Catholic hierarchy (liberal and conservative) is so upset. It's a violation of their conscience and separation of church/state. They appear to be willing to go to the mattresses on this. I hope they do. There are some important principles here.Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-17452763138717865362012-02-09T09:40:48.796-06:002012-02-09T09:40:48.796-06:00Well Shady I think that if you're an entity th...Well Shady I think that if you're an entity that depends on government funding to survive, you need to play by the government's rules.<br /><br />If you operate your hospital or university without any support from the government in any way, I could see you having an exemption. But, most hospitals are dependent on government payouts. Same with universities and federal funding. Once you get in that position, the government has the right to say that if you want to continue getting our money, this is the service we demand. It's simple to me.<br /><br />If you don't want the government in your business, keep them out of your business completely.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-75024079783371059182012-02-09T08:26:18.226-06:002012-02-09T08:26:18.226-06:00I'm not a conservative or a Catholic but I don...I'm not a conservative or a Catholic but I don't see it this way at all. It is about separation of Church and State. The Catholic church does not abide by bc. You may think that's silly. I certainly do.<br /><br />But it's their rule. They should have the right to set the rules for their organizations. They are not preventing anyone from receiving or using bc. They're just saying that "we aren't going to pay for that". Christian Scientists and Amish have exclusions from this new law. The Catholics want one as well.Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-1348341538801251772012-02-08T12:03:57.760-06:002012-02-08T12:03:57.760-06:00You are speaking truth, Big Man. The conservatives...You are speaking truth, Big Man. The conservatives want to have it their way or no way. It is completely hypocritical. Have you seen that new study about low IQ and conservatism/bigotry?- spot on!lifelearnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957099180619080413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6803135128442396638.post-16855781361794634722012-02-08T08:51:06.160-06:002012-02-08T08:51:06.160-06:00You are spot on my brother.. Hypocrisy to the full...You are spot on my brother.. Hypocrisy to the fullest..Dirty Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01508696230100618659noreply@blogger.com